Saturday, July 19, 2014

Fred Phelps dies

{Posted at Bene Dictio Blogs On March 20, 2014]

Fred_Phelps_10-29-2002 WikipediaFred Phelps, the former pastor (as he had recently been excommunicated by his extremist Westboro Baptist Church), died today.

The National Post,/br>
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/03/20/fred-phelps-dies-at-age-84-westboro-baptist-church-founder-was-suffering-from-health-problems

reports that he passed away in the wee hours of March 19-20. He was in a hospice and had been suffering from serious health problems recently.

No doubt you are well aware of the infamies of his ministry, but if not, Wikipedia has a useful introduction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps
Phelps had been banned, along with other members of Westboro Baptist

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/church-members-enter-canada-aiming-to-picket-bus-victim-s-funeral-1.703285

from entering Canada in 2008 after announcing his plans to stage an anti-Canada protest at the funeral of a Winnipeg man.

Also, it was rediscovered last fall that

http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2013/09/24/fred-phelps-prairie-bible-institute-alumnus/

Fred Phelps graduated from Prairie Bible Institute.

Thursday, July 17, 2014

The "Filipino-Canadian priest" who is front page news

{Posted at Bene Diction blogs On March 20, 2014)
The name of Father Fernando Suarez may be familiar to Catholics in the Toronto area. But Filipino community readers across Canada will certainly now know of him as he is the cover subject of The Filipino Post

Father Suarez, the Vancouver based free paper notes, made a bit of a splash in 2002 and 2003 when he was based in Ontario. He retains a Canadian-based non-profit charity, Mary Mother of the Poor. But he is probably best known, though, as the "Healing Priest", who conducts faith-healing masses that, according to the Filipino Post, bring cities in the Phillipines to "a standstill."

Suarez is still a priest in good standing in the Diocese of Ottawa but the Filipino Post notes that Suarez has been expelled from the Toronto Catholic Archdiocese, where Suarez was an associate priest at St. Timothy’s in North York in 2002 and 2003."

Suarez returned to the Philippines a few years ago, and gained clout in the Catholic Church, as well as politically and financially. The Post adds that this apparent power has raised "fear and apprehension."

He's front page news in the Philippines in the past couple weeks, as the English-language national newspaper there, The Philippine Daily Inquirer, has done a series of stories on Suarez. [The Filipino Post story has "the Inquirer" all over it, so it seems they are trying to do a "matcher" story following the Inquirer's work]

Fortunately, the Philippine Daily Inquirer has a website, so I can direct you to two of their recent stories. Here, Suarez, defends himself against criticism of 'how his Mary Mother of the Poor (MMP) Foundation has been handling its finances and to allegations that he is living a lavish lifestyle."

Another story reports on how the "so-called healing" priest's plans for a major building project in the Philippines was set aside by a local planning authority.Father Suarez had planned to include in the project a Marian shrine with a statue of Mary bigger than the Statue of Liberty.

The "Toronto Blessing" 20 years later

(Posted at Bene Diction Blogs on March 8, 2014)
Interesting article from Christianity Today in my inbox this morning. Time flies, and it has been 20 years since the revival broke out at the former Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship. Now, the magazine has sent journalist Lorna Dueck back to Catch The Fire (Toronto) to see if there is lasting fruit.
br/>You may find the article here. Some things that jumped out at me, which may jump out at you too...

1. Dueck writes that at the time, she felt compelled to allow herself to participate in what was going on. It made such an impact on her that she divides her spiritual life into before and after the events there.

2. James Beverley, author of a 1995 book on the "Toronto Blessing", is now giving qualified support of its lasting effects:

Nearly 20 years later, Beverley strikes a more appreciative tone, emphasizing the positive and lasting impacts of the revival. "Whatever the weaknesses are, they are more than compensated for by thousands and thousands of people having had tremendous encounters with God, receiving inner healings, and being renewed.".

Fair enough. But why does he say this? Beverley continues (emphasis mine):)

"....The whole thing is an indication of how much people want to feel close to God and have a sense of his presence. This does not excuse or explain everything.... To know it in detail, you would have to inspect story after story, but there is no doubt that the vast majority of people have been helped, and there have been radical conversion experiences and radical renewal in many lives."

Sitting on the other end of the country, I'd probably agree that some people may have been blessed.

But, assuming that Beverley is still in the Toronto area, well I am heartened by his frankness, although I find it a little dismaying.

You see in order to have a conclusive opinion, he'd have to do in depth interviewing and research.

And that would require work, and stuff.

3. In recent years, Dueck notes, Catch The Fire Toronto has aligned itself with the Revival Alliance. I recall the group from their efforts to clean up the crash-and burn of the Lakeland Revival, but Dueck doesn't seem to.

We may recall that towards the end of Lakeland, Revival Alliance pastors came to Lakeland to "commission" Todd Bentley and bring him under their authority.

At first, Bentley tried to say that he was not under their authority, but eventually felt a need to apologize to the Revival Alliance for some reason. The video of his rhetorical acrobatics is still on YouTube, and is gone into in the linked post.

So the Revival Alliance has a pronounced interest in people being able to grab the spotlight through spectacular works.

Thus their interest in Catch the Fire Toronto, as the Dueck article explains:

When asked about unorthodox elements or exaggerated claims of spiritual power among members of the Revival Alliance, Clark responded, "Our unity is not based on doctrinal agreement. Our unity is based on the experienced presence of God and how it renewed us and our commitment to a gospel of the kingdom."

Hmmm.

No Oscars for Dominionists?

[Posted in Bene Diction Blogs On Feb. 26th, 2014)
In the run-up to the Oscars, you may have noted that a song in the film Alone Yet Not Alone was nominated for an Oscar this year.

It was though to be quite a feather in the caps of the filmmakers, all ostensibly devout Christians. So, Christians were dismayed when the nomination was recently rescinded by the Academy. The makers of the song had broken Academy rules in campaigning for their song among Academy members voting for songs.

There was a bit of hue and cry. Hollywood is biased against us Christians! This rule would never have been enforced this way against...! As you would expect.

But, I want to bring attention to this issue in order to cite Peter T. Chattaway of the Patheos website. His follow-up post on the disqualification of the song, I think perhaps in this case points to what Paul Harvey used to call, on this radio show, "The Rest Of The Story."

In a few years, it could explain a lot.

Peter chattaway, unlike pretty well everyone else I have seen on this subject so far, connects some dots for us.

As he briefly notes in his post, the makers of Alone Yet Not Alone, tend to be hard core Dominionists. He has links as well.

In one paragraph of his post, he notes that "the film appears to have been backed by far-right activists known as dominionists or reconstructionists". Moreover, the film was made by a now defunct company named Vision Forum. The former head of that firm, Doug Phillips, had a prominent told in Alone Yet Not Alone, along with two of his daughters. Phillips appears to have been now edited out of Alone Yet Not Alone, according to blogger Katie Botkin, who has lots of useful background on the film.

Sorry for doing a "matcher", but I wanted to take the opportunity to speculate a little.
What follows is a guess. Imagine for a moment that the Academy's leadership had only found out about the documented leanings of the filmmakers after the song had been nominated. A perfect storm happens. The song wins, Then the filmmakers get up on the Oscar stage and talk about something like "we're taking back the mountain of Hollywood so Jesus can come back!" So, there perhaps was incentive to strictly enforce an Academy rules regarding this song. And Academy leaders, I imagine, Looked up gratefully to heaven and said "thank you Jesus." If I am imagining well, then. you can't tell me there is no prayer in Hollywood.

Todd recycles

(Posted at Bene Diction Blogs on, Feb. 19, 2014)
A new e-mail may imply that Todd Bentley's sabbatical may start out to last at least a couple of months.

He's staring an e-mail series on "The Father's House", as I write. This is about a series of visions that he relates about intimacy with God.

He doesn't spell it out, but this is quite old. He's sharing the booklet The Father's House, which I am guessing is roughly 8-10 years old. (I have a copy of the booklet that I obtained back then and it was one of the first things on his "book table", if memory serves.) This online cite confirms that The Father's House is well before Lakeland.

Todd may keep on recycling old material to avoid lapsing into radio silence and having his friends forget about his ongoing needs. No harm in that, perhaps, but I suspect he may be coy about when these revelations were supposed to have happened.

Bob Jones dies

{Posted at Bene Diction Blogs On Feb. 17, 2014)
Charisma News is reporting that "prophet" Bob Jones passed away on Valentines Day.

In the Charisma piece. Rick Joyner is quoted as the expert on Jones, as the latter was closely connected to Morningstar in recent years.

Jones was prominent and instrumental in the "Kansas City Prophets".

Jones was occasionally noted for the vague sort of prophecies that could not be confirmed. In this prophecy about the 2040s and 2050s, for example. Jones could not be personally assessed for his prophetic gifting unless he had lived to be well over 100 years old.
br/>Let Us Reason noted an odd quote by Jones, in which Jones says that the Devil told him that if he would just stay away from fighting abortion and homosexuality, Satan would let Jones do all the "signs and wonders" he wanted to:

Jones relates his concern about the rise of abortion and homosexuality, and a conversation he had with a devil: “He told me the next time that I prophesied and told anybody about it, he would kill me. He said, 'If you knock that off we'll move back into all the signs and wonders you want to. You can heal people and you can prophesy day and night if you want to, if you leave these two subjects alone” (Mike Bickle, Bob Jones, Visions and Revelations, 1988, found in Vengeance is Ours by Al Dager)


He was removed from ministry for a time for having women take off their clothes to "stand naked before the Lord". Jones would then give them a "prophetic word".

Apologetics Index, which notes that Jones was a promoter of the "Latter Rain" and "Manifest Sons of God" theologies, has a fine rundown of Jones' aberrant tendencies on their website. This ApostasyWatch piece may also be of interest."

Baby Baby

{Posted at Bene Diction Blogs On, Feb. 18, 2014]
It may be of passing interest that Faytene Grasseschi, a regular subject here, is now letting on that she is pregnant on Facebook. She's now in her third trimester.

Congratulations and hope all goes well. Cue up the Amy Grant song.

"But hey, if she's gonna run off with another man, why not Jesus, huh?"

{posted at Bene Diction Blogs on January 29, 2014) One short clip from Nicolas Cage's upcoming remake of Left Behind has made it out on the Internet.
You can check it out here, if you like.

Canadian University Press plays to the grandstands

{Posted at Bene Diction Blogs on Jan. 18, 2018]
Please permit me to address a bit of a different topic for myself.

As an old student press hand back in the day, I was stunned to see something on the Internet yesterday. Something that has caused a bit of an Internet stir, so it merits brief mention. So I hope that Bene D will indulge.

It was my experience back in the day that it was usually students with progressive views who wanted to do the self-sacrificing work of being a student journalist. I would imagine it to be the same today. So, as the years went on, it made sense that I was never made an editor of the student newspaper I worked for.

Not to fault my friends. I made dear friends, some of whom I retain to this day. Stand up people with great hearts, who just think differently than I do.

I became the BC stringer for Canadian University Press, and at the 1990 CUP National conference, I lost an election to become the top editor for CUP, their National Bureau Chief. It wound up being all good, as during the next year that I would have been working in Ottawa, I found both my church and where I would work as a journalist.

I gather that in subsequent years, CUP has ambled along, only to find that as budgets are shrunk at student newspapers, a wire service like CUP is seen as an unnecessary frill.
Given the historical point of view of CUP, I was frankly amazed to see this, namely that the very conservative Sun News TV host Ezra Levant delivered the keynote address at the recent Canadian University Press conference in Edmonton.

Now, I like Ezra. I even blogged for his magazine, The Western Standard.
br/>But I have to ask CUP, at least on behalf of my old student press pals:

Are you insane?

Commenters on the Internet are wondering this too. Montreal Simon, a McGill Daily alum, was Flummoxed. A student journalist at the link went "Whaaa?".

Back in November, when the choice of Ezra, was announced, CUP found that it had to explain why. Their explanation is here
,br/>As a student journalist who became a conservative journalist, I'd like to make a couple of observations.

The first choice of CUP's who-should-we-ask canvas was Robyn Doolittle of the Toronto Star. Ezra came second. This should have said that CUPpies would have liked to hear a keynote from a somewhat liberal reporter known for her coverage of Rob Ford.
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But CUP picked Ezra Levant. Now I like Ezra, and have heard him speak. But I think that most CUPpies would not be fans of his. Just a guess, looking at their preferred first choice for the keynote speech.

The organizer who helped pick Levant added that:
More importantly, Levant exemplifies a brand of journalism that is proving more relevant than ever. Politics and ideology are seeping into contemporary journalism and consumers are eating it up. It begs the question, what is considered journalism today? Or better yet, does objectivity still exist? How do politics factor in? Levant is one of Canada’s most recognizable partisan commentators and people are familiar with his work. We feel he’s highly suited to tackle these questions.
 
How could student journalists not already be savvy about this? I was, even before joining my student paper, was aware of related memes on the subject.

These memes are up to 40 years old. The progressive meme tends to be that corporate interests and big money bias the news.

I'm more familiar with the conservative meme that the news has a liberal bias. Having read "Hysteria 1964", which argues that there were pot shots taken at Barry Goldwater, and Edith Efron's "The News Twisters" before I started working for my student paper, I knew that these ideas dated back to the 1960s.

Ezra Levant, I'd say, believes in the conservative meme. His concerns that the "Media Party" has a pronounced liberal bias are a frequent feature of his show.

So, I could have predicted that what Eye On A Crazy Planet kindly notes for me would happen when Ezra Levant spoke at the CUP conference. He attacked what he saw as the liberal bias of the Canadian news media, so much so, per Eye....that he had angry delegates confronting him.

Who woulda thunk it?<.br>
Perhaps CUP thought that the Edmonton Sun would have covered Ezra's remarks? Doesn't seem to have happened.

I wonder if any CUPpies thought to report on it? I did a full page report on Mark Starowicz's remarks to a conference I attended, but I guess I was an odd bird.

A hat tip to my old student press pals. I was dismayed on their behalf. I'll get out a mop and bucket for their barf, if needs be. :)

Big News About to break with Todd Bentley?

[Posted at Bene Diction Blogs on Feb. 1, 2014]
I should have first realized that something may have been about to break in regards to Todd Bentley when I saw this in my inbox this morning.

He's selling everything on his own Sound of Fire website--not fresh Fire--for 50 per cent off for the month of February.

It's priced to move! As confirmed by this notice on Facebook.
Sound of Fire USA  
And so is Todd? Seems he needs access to potential money that only he himself would have access to. And he needs it NOW.

At the very least, he needs a quick influx of cash to keep the wolf from the door of his ministry, as Todd Bentley is taking another "sabbatical."

I wonder if he is almost about to sound like the home furnishings stores in Seattle Washington which were always "going out of business", which were parodied to good effect on the old local Almost Live! TV comedy show.

Also, both Todd and Jessa are withdrawing from ministry for a while, following the cancellation of his trip to Germany and Austria in November.

In a January 17 e-mail and posting on the Fresh Fire USA site, Todd states:
I did end up in the hospital where there were several tests done to find the causes of the shortness of breath, racing heart, pain in my chest, and other physical symptoms. I am still working with doctors toward a full recovery. In addition, I have been experiencing anxiety and panic attacks which add to the physical challenge. The bigger question is getting to the root of what is causing these issues. With much prayer and thought, this has led me and our team to believe that for a season, it would be best to take a continued break to recover fully physically, and spiritually, using time to pray, and get closer to the Lord. I've come to realize that there are some areas in my character that still need work. During the time of these physical challenges there were things revealed in my life that were sinful, the result of still having cracks in my foundation. These unresolved personal issues are being addressed, is being corrected, and now in the process of being healed before I return to ministry. I will be working to pursue deeper inner healing to be sure that there is nothing further in me that could be a snare and hinder me from living strong and victoriously. As many of you know, I've had two burnouts and health challenges in the past. This time, I want to be sure that I make the priority my health, my family, and walking fully in the light before the Lord in everything. This process will be done with doctors, intense counseling, and working with a trainer in the gym on my cardio and nutrition.

The big observation would be that "Wasn't this all fixed by the work Todd did with Rick Joyner?" During the Joyner restoration, he (Joyner) alluded to not wanting to do this restoration again if he could avoid it.

There's something in the statement from Jessa as well, who alludes to her and Todd wanting to have their own children.

Jessa states:
A Word from Jessa: I (Jessa) am so thankful for everything the Lord has done last year. Being apart of all the amazing fruit of salvations, healings, and miracles has caused me to be so blessed and honored by the Lord. I have realized in this time that I too need a break to search my heart and deal with some emotional conflicts about ministry, having a family of my own, and pressures of full time ministry. I also feel the need to fully recover from disappointment from the difficult season that began 5 years ago. Please understand that I am not in any way suggesting that Todd and I are having any marital problems. Todd and I are very happy, in love, and looking forward to preparing for a family. I will be supporting Todd in this season, as he is supporting me, to be refreshed in the Lord and come out of this season stronger and continue on in the ministry.

Two observations:

We don't want to read anything into Jessa emphasizing that all is well in their marriage, but the Shakespeare quote "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" comes to mind. Sorry.

Secondly, the issue Of Jessa's "disappointment" is interesting. We recall that Jessa and Todd wound up being on the way to a relationship during the Lakeland Revival in 2008. She mentions "five years" of disappointment, which would imply that she was uneasy with Todd not moving towards "one two, many Lakelands".

As has been mentioned, I have been following Todd Bentley for the past 13 years now, so it makes sense to me that Todd now has sort of returned to the level of prominence that he had when he was operating Fresh Fire Ministries out of Abbotsford, British Columbia. He would do overseas crusades and travel around the US and Canada, much as he does now. Except that now he doesn't minister around Vancouver BC and its suburbs anymore(where his starter children live). Also, he can now bill himself as "the Lakeland guy" with reflected fame from that.

So Jessa might be having to come to terms with being involved with a mid-level ministry. Todd has done this before and is used to it. Jessa is not. She might be having to realize that Lakeland was a "perfect storm" that made Todd merely a "nine-day wonder", to use an old newspaper term. What if the "good parts" of Lakeland winds up to be the highlight of Todd's ministry life? The prospect of tagging along as Todd goes from little church to little church might seem daunting.

A follow-up e-mail and announcement on January 23 notes that although Todd and Jessa are "on sabbatical", Fresh Fire USA is still hard at work, with their main priority for now being building a "prayer support network."

They write:

....Though Todd and Jessa are on a sabbatical, Fresh Fire Ministries continues in its operations. The Fresh Fire team and staff are still receiving prayer requests, answering phone calls and emails, and are available for any questions you may have about your continued financial support or how you may help Todd and Jessa during this season.....


Todd Bentley won't be on the road gathering donations, thus the "fire sale" announced this morning.

But everything at the Fresh Fire USA ministry is in a holding pattern, circling the airport and waiting to land.

For now.

Todd Friel "kicked out" over Todd Bentley stance?

[posted at Bene Diction Blogs On January 10, 2014]
During his first radio broadcast of the year on January 6, Todd Friel--host of the American theologically conservative Wretched Radio and its accompanying TV show--alluded to the price you can pay when you can stick up for the right thing.

In an aside, Friel mentioned to his listeners that several radio stations had dropped the Wretched program--I thought during 2013 but it may have been during the aftermath of Lakeland--- and the same went for Wretched TV. The most significant reason for doing so, Friel added, seemed to be his criticism of Todd Bentley and the Lakeland Revival. "We were kicked out," his radio sidekick said. I heard it as they they hadn't been able to get the stations back.

Friel went on to say that the dropping stations seemed to be mostly upset that he assailed Bentley for abusing alcohol during the events there, and for having an "affair" there as well.

Sorry for working off my memory--I heard it on streaming audio--but I think his critics are misremembering what Friel said then.

I recall that Friel was being very careful to try and critique Bentley's public behaviour and theology. I myself made a note of one time back in 2010, when he was certainly dismayed on his radio show. He flat out implied Bentley and Jessa had had an affair (which I wouldn't have done, but he went on to spend most of his time critiquing what he saw as the foolishness of what Todd and Jessa were doing as shown on YouTube.

I wouldn't necessarily make the "affair" call as all Todd and Jessa have admitted to is an "inappropriate relationship", whatever that means, but I do want to commend what Friel was trying to do.

Christians need to take out their garbage, when needed.

I totally understand why Friel might say, "That boy ain't right".  Not to mention his frankness on the subject of Todd Bentley, even if it does make for exciting talk radio."

So he merits an "attaboy!" from me, especially for his willingness to say the right thing, as best he knows, even if he suffers as a result.

"Church goers bilked by 'divine advice'"

{Posted at Bene Diction Blogs on, January 7, 2014]
Good catch by a local daily paper near Bill Johnson's Bethel Church In Redding California.

Johnson's church, noted by some for being a bit "out there" as a charismatic church attracted David Arnold Souza who, in late December' was "was convicted of 21 felony counts and four related enhancements for committing theft by false pretenses by a Shasta County jury."

The Red Bluff Daily News reports that the people who took Souza's counsel lost over $600,000 US.

The newspaper adds:

He created marketing materials claiming he was guided by God in making investment decisions and used the slogan Where business is moral and the miraculous is routine.

Many of his victims were first year students and their relatives at the Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry.


Did they see it coming?
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Tuesday, May 13, 2014

I come across interesting things in thrift stores, such as this New Testament. It's title: The Greatest Is Love." Published in 1971 by the Canadian Home Bible League, as it then was, it's interesting for at least two reasons. I wonder if there is anyone still at the Christian Reformed Church of Clarkson remembers back to 1971 when they were Clarkson Christian Reformed Church and handed out this and other copies of *this* New Testament I say this, as it was specilly commissioned by the church, with a breezy "Welcome to Mississauga!' blurb on the back inviting them to the church. It's directed to people who are new to Canada, as it has pictures of Canada in two page sections throughout. I wonder if any of these specific testaments are distributed domestically still? I live on the West Coast. I should not have ever seen and acquired this. But I am pleased, after all these years to remember this outreach tool. As does Jesus.

Friday, May 09, 2014

[The Sunshine] Coast News, Gibsons June 23, 1971 p5 http://historicalnewspapers.library.ubc.ca/view/collection/coastnews/item/21372#8 Our churches, 2ndJune half of column http://www.quesnelmuseum.ca/CaribooObserverDocs/1973/19730328_Cariboo%20Observer-3.pdf

Tuesday, April 29, 2014

Thursday, January 30, 2014

How responsible is the International House of Prayer for the death of Bethany Deaton?

Rolling Stone has a sordid tale of cruelty and death in its January 30, 2014 issue. And the International House of Prayer hypercharismatic movement, I suspect, is hoping that you won't read it.

Following the death of Bethany Deaton in 2012, the issue has been simmering in US papers and their blogosphere, But surely the prominent attention that Rolling Stone magazine is drawing to this will bring it all to a rolling boil.


It's a gripping tale. The Rolling Stone feature
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/love-and-death-in-the-house-of-prayer-20140121
reports on a small group of twentysomething Americans who began to gather together in recent years at Southwestern University in Texas. The informal leader, Tyler Deaton, led the about 20 people--who lived together communally and had worship gatherings together-- towards the International House of Prayer (IHOP) movement in Kansas City, Missouri. Tyler Deaton, who studied at and graduated from the IHOP "university" married Bethany, one of the members of the group.,/br>
Rolling Stone begins by reporting on Bethany Deaton's dead body being found on October 30, 2012. What appeared to be a suicide note was found near the body.

As police investigated however, attention turned toMicah Moore, who has a confession to make. He had killed, Bethany, he told police, as Tyler's urging. This was in order to cover up the sordid practices of the group. Deaton has not been charged, but Moore has since recanted an withdrawn his confession. latest news is that he will be tried in November.

The group broke up soon after Bethany's passing But there is an ongoing interest On the roup and the International House of Prayer that will only be increased By Rolling Stone's coverage.

I, Reading the story, I have the feeling that Tyler Deaton may have been on the way to being addle-brained before IHOP, but Rolling stone lays the tragedy at the feet of IHOP's aberrant theolocy, which affected the minds and hearts of all in the group. Tyler Deaton, Rolling Stone implies, was made crazy by his odd theological beliefs. Their reporters odes on the scene reporting of the atmopshere ther are quotes founder Mike Bickle. Rick Jotner's The Final Quest, and it's view of the "end times" is cited as well.

Deaton is a graduate of IHOP's University and was listed as a lay leader of IHOP, Rolling Stone emphasizes. (I think we can address the implied question that Rolling Stone asks, without exactly using the words: "How responsible is the International House of Prayer for the death of Bethant DEaton?"

IHOP, immediately following the tragedy, was doing a bit of a buck-and-wing shortly after the tragedy. IHOP in Knasas City numbers in the thousands now, and they can't keep a close eye on everyone, they might protest. Bout pastoral oversight is important in any church.

The relevant statments from IHOP remain online.
http://www.ihopkc.org/ihopu/statement/regarding-the-death-of-bethany-deaton/
Forerunner Christian Fellowship, the "locl church expression" in the Kansas City area for IHOP (The IHOP Kanasas City Missions Base), says that although Tyler Denton and his group were Coonected TO IHOP, they demanded to be independent, or rather Tyler Denton wanted this on their behalf:
http://www.ihopkc.org/ihopu/statement/regarding-the-death-of-bethany-deaton/forerunner-christian-fellowship-regarding-tyler-deaton/
After Deaton graduated from IHOPU in May 2012 he began to show interest in our FCF small groups. That summer our FCF small groups came under a new director, who formed a temporary, think-tank-type discussion group made up of volunteers, who met to discuss ideas on how to improve small groups. Deaton attended this group, though he made it very clear to our small groups director that his independent Bible study group would not be connected in any way. On one occasion in October 2012 Deaton facilitated a breakout discussion of seven or eight people. We now believe his interest in our small groups was to try to promote his own agenda within our organization.,/br>
A volunteer mistakenly labeled Deaton as a divisional coordinator when preparing a preliminary small groups info packet. Because the small groups director was not consulted and did not catch the error, the volunteer continued to reprint the mistake. The incorrect information has since been removed...."

Enter blogger Kendall Beachey. He knew the group, and was as fellow graduate of IHOP's "university. Although he has since left IHOP and never belonged to Tyler's group, it could be fair to say that he was perhaps friends with them.
http://thecosmiccathedral.wordpress.com/2014/01/23/what-rolling-stone-didnt-tell-you-about-tyler-deaton/
He's since blogged about his experiences with Tyler and the group. When Bethany first died, Kendall was conatct by someone at IHOP about this "independent" group. Naturually Kendall wanted to help, so he went to the communal house.

So he was there when this happened.

....When the IHOP leaders showed up, they were not alone. The police were there, just out of sight, and when Tyler stepped onto the porch, it was all over. It was November 9th, 2012 and Tyler Deaton was being taken in for questioning for the first time.,/br> ...
I was the one who opened the door. Not a part of the group. An outsider. No longer at IHOP. An outsider.

And what did the people from IHOP want?

The men coming to the house had given Tyler a choice. If he left the International House of Prayer (IHOP), never contacted anyone in his worship group again, and became integrated into another church, then after three or four years he could be in good standing with IHOP once more. He was told IHOP would help him to transition home, but after that, he was on his own.

They seemed to exert a lot of authority over Tyler indviually and over the group members collectively for an "independent " group that wasn't supposedly connected to IHOP.

We can call what happened here what I think it is.


Rolling Stone seems To be on a right track. Hopefully more digging will happen.

Saturday, December 21, 2013

Was Faytene ahead of the curve?

Posted at Bene Diction Blogs On Dec 20. 2013 The Dec. 20 Supreme Court of Canada decision striking down several Canadian laws regulating how prostitution operates in Canada would certainly be dismaying to some Canadian social conservatives. But they must recognize that they were warned that something like this could happen. Although lawmakers are allowed a year to try again with new laws, you could expect what happened with the 1980s SCOC decision to happen again: For whatever reason no replacement laws regarding abortion were passed, and it would very tempting now for legislators to reason that the courts have spoken ans throw up their hands. But there is an aspect about this case, and others potentially like this, that could cause both "sides" of this issue to suspect that their friends in Ottawa are asleep at the switch.